Showing posts with label Bill Cunningham. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bill Cunningham. Show all posts

Thursday, August 23, 2012

The Grandchildren of Pulp (Or, How I Learned That Pulp Never Really Died) -- part 1

This week, let's look at pulp again, or more specifically how it has shaped and affected everything that came after it.To get the low-down we went to Bill Cunningham, a pulp writer and aficionado.

What happened to the heroes of the pulp era as the 30s became the 40s and 50s, and how did they change?

Bill: They changed because society changed. We went from a Great Depression to a second world war. We also became more sophisticated and media savvy. Radio and TV filled a portion of our lives that wasn't there before.

How did this change reflect the changing times and what readers were looking for from popular stories? And at which point do you feel pulp shifted toward the more gritty and bleak version called noir? What triggered that?

Bill: First off - there has never been a literary movement called "noir." The source of what you are referring to is "FILM noir" which is a french term describing the post-war, bleak crime cinema coming out of the USA and England from 1949 onward. It's a term used by film critics and misused by everyone else. The term came about from the bleak way the films were lit -- primarily due to the fact that they were mostly cheap crime films shot in 9 days or so. There wasn't any time to use fill lights so the images ended up being very shadowy and stark. Ingeniously enough the look modeled the storytelling in the movies.

In France and across Europe they adopted a term called "roman noir" which means "black novel", and is again modeled after film noir which itself is modeled after the hard-boiled writers like James M. Cain, Thompson, et al...

Interestingly enough, Italy created an offshoot called the "giallo" (jee-all-oh) which were bloody thrillers featuring remorseless killers and driven detectives and other types of broken heroes, many of who had to overcome their own major psychological problems in order to solve the crime or save their own lives. The name giallo comes from the italian word for "yellow" the color of the covers of these grisly thriller books.

Germany had "krimi" thrillers....

Post war America fostered a lot of crooks and people started to understand psychological terms like "PTSD" though they called it "shell shock." The world was no longer black & white, but a very bleak gray landscape. This contributed to the HARD-BOILED genre fiction of the time (Mike Hammer) as writers realized they could tell stories where the hero doesn't always win. It was a flip of the pulp standard.

You'll also note this time was the rise in paranoia over communism and the potential annihilation of everyone on the planet via nuclear weaponry. We understood the sword of Damocles we had hung above our own heads.

Between the heyday of noir and the birth of new pulp, what was going on in the publishing world that still carried on the tradition of the classic pulp story? Were they simply dead and gone, or was some other type of fiction keeping the "faith" alive?

Bill: Well, hard-boiled fiction was derived from the pulp ficition of earlier which evolved into the paperback fiction and so forth. Pulp has never "died" -- it has evolved.

Finally, what are the proofs in popular fiction today that pulp style and tone is here to stay, no matter what the marketers call it?

Bill: The Executioner books are still selling.... Tom Clancy's work - through well-researched - is still dealing with fantastic scenarios. Jeff Rovin, one of the ghost writers for Clancy's OP-Center, and Splinter Cell series has often referred to those books as adopting the Doc Savage and five assistants model.

On TV we have Person of Interest which is The Shadow (if Burbank ran things), 24 which follows the pulp formula of escalation, and Leverage which is another five person model with roots in the pulp world.

For more info about Bill and his work, visit http://www.d2dvd.blogspot.com/

Thursday, April 12, 2012

Pulp with Pictures

The illustrated pulp magazine was a mainstay and the standard for its time. There's little doubt about that. But what about the pulp reprint books and the new pulp volumes that are coming out and growing in popularity... Do they also benefit from the old-fashioned pulp experience of being illustrated stories? Or has that day passed, and with the reigning standard being that of the purely textual novel, are pictures no longer needed for stories for adult readers?

Well, you know us here at Bad Girls, Good Guys, and Two-Fisted Action... when we have a question or two burning in our craniums, we scope out the usual suspects and ask 'em. 


Which do you prefer as a reader -- illustrated pulp stories or those without illustrations?

Art by The Savage Scribe
John F. Allen: As a reader, I find myself drawn to pulp stories without illustrations. This is not to say that I don’t like illustrated pulp stories however, I think that when I’m reading a pulp story I want to let my own imagination guide me in determining the way the characters look, the way the scenes look and the overall feel of the story. I feel that there are some advantages to having illustrations accompany a pulp novel or collection.

Bill Cunningham: Sometimes the illustrations add to the story, but often I find they conflict with my own mental image of the characters. On the other hand not having illustration leaves room for more story...

M.D. Jackson: For me the illustrations are part of the magic of the whole pulp experience. When I collect old original pulp magazines they have to be illustrated. It doesn't even matter if the illustration is any good, just being illustrated is part of its charm. I love the whole experience of the old pulp magazines and the illustrations are, for me about 50 percent of the equation.

Lee Houston, Jr.: In all honesty, I think it depends upon the genre. I can see having art in almost everything except science-fiction. That would the one genre where I would prefer to have the images left to my imagination.

Ed Erdelac: This may go back to when I was a kid and couldn't read. I would conjure stories around the illustrations. I really enjoy the plates in the old pulps - even the later collections with Frazetta art. They're a surprise to look forward to as you read along.

What are the advantages of having illustrations in a pulp novel or collection?

Art Basil Wolverton
John F. Allen: One of the advantages is to give the reader a fantastic piece of artwork to go along with the story, capture a scene from the story and impart it into the reader’s mind. Another advantage is that it allows for the reader to get a glimpse into the intent of the author as captured by the illustrator. That is provided that the illustrator has indeed captured the vision of the writer.

M.D. Jackson:
As an illustrator myself I am naturally biased in that direction. Illustrating is what I do, it's how I ply my trade and when I was publishing Dark Worlds Magazine illustrations were a key part of the whole package. Having illustrations, particularly ones done in the traditional "pulp" style helped to identify us with the pulp magazines. One look at a printed edition ad there was no doubt about what you were going to get.

Lee Houston, Jr.: You certainly have an idea of what is going on and what the characters look like. This definitely works best for me in swashbuckling tales and mysteries, so you can keep better track of the suspects and situations and ponder along with the detective on duty to figure out just who did what and how, let alone why.

Ed Erdelac: I still like the illustrated versions, especially the reprints of The Shadow complete with ads. It recreates the whole experience, I think.


What are the advantages of not having art inside the pulp novel or collection?

Art by Virbil Finlay
John F. Allen: I do think that there are also some advantages to omitting illustrations in pulp fiction pieces as well. One advantage is that without illustrations, the reader is allowed to rely solely on their own imaginations to make interpretations on the look and feel of characters, setting, and scene as laid out by the author. It also gives the reader an impartiality to an illustration that they might find distracting or just plain ugly. Lastly, it would avoid there being any kind of disconnection between the author’s vision and/or intent and the illustration as interpreted by the illustrator.

M.D. Jackson: The main disadvantage was reproducing that experience in electronic editions. Formatting an illustrated publication for Kindle or other e-reader add s an extra level of pain and suffering to what is already a major annoyance. Some of our electronic editions had to eliminate the illustrations completely. While it is true that if a story is good it should be able to stand on its own, when I am craving the pulp experience, I want the story to be enhanced by those illustrations.

Lee Houston, Jr.: Sometimes the artist interpretations don't match your imagination, which is why I prefer fewer in science fiction. But with all that said, if illustrations originally accompanied a tale, I prefer to have them reprinted with the story to get the full feel of both the tale and the period it was originally produced in. The difference is noticeable when comparing such things like the Shadow paperback reprints of the 1970s to the Nostalgia Ventures' reprints of today.

Ed Erdelac: Well, when you read you picture the characters and situations in your mind. You take the words the author uses as a jumping off point, extrapolating their appearance from your own unique experiences and perspectives. That's why the movie is almost never as good as the book to most people. A filmmaker can never make the movie that's in everyone's mind's eye. So when you include illustrations in a book there's a chance of not gelling with the reader's concept of your story. Less than stellar art can be a turn off too.

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Thursday, March 15, 2012

Everything Old is New Again... Too New

It's a common start to a flame war online. Someone's favorite character, usually from an older work, is getting a new lease on life for modern readers. Great! Right? Only, it turns out not so great. Someone's favorite character isn't quite the same anymore.

He may have a new female sidekick. His ethic about killing may have changed. He began during Kuwait instead of WWII. Or the costume doesn't have the underwear on the outside anymore.

Whatever the reason, the old fans aren't happy.

But the studio/publisher doesn't seem to care. They have to, after all, "re-imagine" the character for today's audience of readers/movie-goers.

So this week, we're going to look at that process with the help of several writers who regularly have to make those choices as they bring commonly known characters to life in their tales of action and adventure.

Let's start off positive. When is tinkering with a character for the benefit of reaching a new audience a good thing?

Ron Fortier: When the character has been all but forgotten by everybody, including the old fans.  Then it's time to try some re-imagining.  But as long as there remains a viable, dedicated and loyal following of the character, one should take their feeling into consideration and then tone down any revisions.

Dan Jolley: I ran into this when I was working on the comic book re-launch of Voltron for Devil's Due Productions. I watched Voltron nigh-religiously as a kid and loved everything about it, but when it came time to do the comic book series, DDP sent me all of the old Voltron episodes, and I quickly discovered that they, to put it kindly, didn't quite hold up. Part of it was that I was watching them with the sensibilities of an adult, but perhaps a bigger part was that my memories of the show candy-coated it and glossed over its many, many, many flaws. I knew that if the comic was going to work, I'd have to make some changes to the property, some merely cosmetic, some right down to the premise. Because if I had simply translated the existing show to comic format, whether adapting the original stories or setting new stories in the same framework, the critical and commercial reception would have ranged from simply "negative" to "brutal." (The tutu-clad dancing mice in particular had to go.)

Ed Erdelac: When the character has fallen into obscurity to the degree that they're adventures are no longer available or are out of print. I can't count the number of times I've been delighted to hear of even the lamest of remakes because I know some profit-minded suit is gonna re-release the orignal material to try and cash in. I'm mercenary in that regard, but somebody will always do it. It's embarrassing to admit, but when Robert Blake went on trial I was ecstatic to pick up the first season of Baretta on DVD.

Bill Cunningham: I think one only needs to look at the recent X-Men: First Class and The Dark Knight movies to see how reinvention can invigorate a character or series. In both instances the writers took a look at what worked before, what works for today's audiences and found a way to make it work. Specifically, in X-Men the writers took the latter day Magneto/Xavier relationship and posited it from the start, creating a deeper emotional resonance to the onscreen action. In addition, they took the premise of the first X-Men comic (Magneto steals missiles from the army base) and re-imagined it in light of both history (the Cuban Missile Crisis) and visual impact (Magneto is fired upon from multiple warships and must stop the missiles mid-air).


Selah Janel: When it’s done out of respect and love it’s fine. Batman The Animated Series kept a lot of the themes that people loved about Batman and adapted them to work for an after-school audience. It gave Gotham a fantastic new look and turned many of the once-comedic villains into sympathetic and frightening characters. Plus for a cartoon it balanced out Bruce’s pain and burden very well. It worked because everyone working on it obviously cared about the details and the story.


Lee Houston Jr.: One thing you have to remember is that the need for revising, even just to stay "contemporary," is because most publishers never foresaw the markets lasting as long as they have, especially within the comic book industry. They originally thought there would be a change over every 10-15 years as one generation of audience was replaced by another. But the fans did remember and care. More important, they were also keeping an eye upon continuity, something the publishers and creators weren't because of the generation changeover theory.

Another thing that does not help is the passage of time. A lot of the adventures written in the past were contemporary when originally created, but are considered period pieces today.

When does it cross a line and become something, in a fan's eyes, worthy of derision?

Ron Fortier: Easy. When you stop respecting the core essence of the character.  The Green Hornet and Lone Ranger as original envisioned were serious heroes with a specific moral code.  No matter how you shape their adventures to suit new audiences, the core essence can never change.  Doing that basically changes the character to an entirely different character.  That being the case, why not invent your own?

Dan Jolley: I would say it crosses the line when the re-launch shows no respect for the original property. There are right ways and wrong ways to re-launch something, and I got caught up in the wrong way when DC asked me to write the new Firestorm book back in 2004 or so. After seeing the massive fan backlash regarding Green Lantern, I first wrote a pitch that treated the original Firestorm, Ronnie Raymond, with a great amount of respect and basically gave him a hero's send-off as the title transitioned to its new protagonist, Jason Rusch. That pitch was summarily rejected by DC brass. Part of it was that DC felt they had done everything they could possibly do with Ronnie Raymond at the time; in their eyes, he was a bankrupt character, and they just wanted to cut ties with him as fast as possible and move on. Another part of it was that DC decided Ronnie Raymond didn't have enough of a fan base to maintain the necessary amount of sales on a book, so he wasn't a viable option for the lead role no matter what we did with him. At the time, I was just thrilled to get a monthly book, and though I voiced my concerns, when they were flatly overruled I basically decided to get with the program and do what DC wanted me to do. I don't think my run on the book did the title any favors, honestly.

Ed Erdelac: When some integral component to the character's original appeal is compromised or abandoned entirely. Imagine Batman as an overweight woman with a machinegun or something (because hey, it'll reach a wider range of demographics!).

Bill Cunningham: When the new story or reimagined character doesn't make me care, doesn't involve me in the story, and simply spoonfeeds me spectacle over substance.

Selah Janel: What ticks me off is when reboots are obviously done for money. I mean I grew up in the eighties where everything was marketing – do people think we’re not going to figure it out? I’m tired of seeing everything that was special to me as a kid turned into a marketing machine that has no effort behind it. Those movies take the lowest common denominator from the source material and turn it into something that’s almost unrecognizable. It’s just arrogant. Lost Boys: The Tribe forced onto fans what it thought they should want. The director didn’t even like the original movie! No effort was made to try to make a real sequel – most of the jokes and conflicts were recycled wholesale but sexed up and modernized with the assumption that no one could tell the difference. And we could all tell. Overall it’s a title that for the most part isn’t worth mentioning.

Lee Houston Jr.: Sure, you might need to start a series over from the origin point to explain who the hero is and why they do the things they do. For example, the original might have been a World War 2 veteran and the modern version might now have seen action in the Middle East. No problem there. But if the character was a decorated soldier in the past and is a buffoon lucky enough not to shoot his own foot today...

Why is it such a big deal? Shouldn't fans be happy simply that their favorites are being published again or are being brought to TV or to the big screens?


Ron Fortier: We all grow up with fictional heroes of one type or another, which do shape our lives and our world views. They do teach us about moral, doing the right things, being honorable, fair etc.etc.  Heroes show us the right path to follow.  When insensitive producers come along eager to make a fast buck by sensationalizing our heroes and altering them purposely for those gains, its pretty much attacking everything we grew up believing in.  Cynical, Hollywood types have no moral compass as to how to be a hero.  Their concern is only box office take and ratings and if the world is a darker, less decent place when they've torn down our heroes, they don't care.  As Luke Skywalker said rather simply, "I care."

Dan Jolley: The inherent difficulty here -- some might say inherent impossibility -- is that fans THINK they want the same things they got when they were younger. As I mentioned before, most of the time our memories gloss over the faults of properties we loved. That's just a thing human brains do. It's very, very rare that something we loved as children, for instance, is as good as we remember; in fact, a work of fiction, no matter what medium, has to be basically perfect in order to give you the same experience both the first time you're exposed to it and then when you see it again 20 or 30 years later. (Casablanca comes to mind as an exception to the rule. That movie is damn near flawless.) So, essentially, somebody who used to think Knight Rider was the greatest show on television stands a good chance of being impossible to satisfy with a new version, because the Knight Rider in his head is this idealized, fault-free version of the show that never actually existed. Maybe you can do a re-launch that captures the spirit of the original and is really spectacularly good and makes some people happy, but no matter how good your effort, there will be a group of fans out there who think what you're doing is shit compared with the original.

Ed Erdelac: I'm gonna use an example here that I know a lot of people are not gonna agree with. I hate the Lord of The Rings movies. Loathe them. But I've always been enamored with the books. The feel of them, the whimsicality, the depth of the world and the emotional scope of the adventure are inimitable.

To me, the movies are like reading Cliff Notes. They're too fast, too loud, and packed with insipid dwarf jokes that take you right out of the world (Okay, not entirely like Cliff Notes).

I was as excited about The Lord of The Rings movies as anybody. To me, they were going to be the new Star Wars. They had a director I respected (at the time), an amazing cast, and from the sneak peek photos, a great sense of the visual appeal of that world. The Fellowship Of The Ring was the most disappointing experience I've ever had at a movie theater, bar none. I went away cussing. I hated it. I never even bothered with the second one (I recently tried to give it another shot, tuned in on TV in time to see Legolas surfing down a staircase on a shield shooting arrows and promptly turned it off), and I got dragged to the third one (which mellowed my dislike somewhat, but still had a lot of plain stupidity in it).

Now, the greatest crime to me wasn't that I'd wasted the price of the ticket, but that for all millions of kids who had never read Tolkien, the film series would be their first experience with it. It would lead them to the books, which was a good thing, yes, but the movies do not accurately convey the books. The pacing is all wrong. LOTR the movies are a nachos and cheese popcorn fueled D&D session full of Jon Woo style battles, wisecracking, kick-ass women and sweeping crane shots. LOTR the books are an epic, serious meditation on the change of war punctuated by moments of whimsy and slow heartbreak.

Now back when I said all this originally, I was written off as a purist who wanted to see Tom Bombadil and the barrow wights. It wasn't that. It was the books, man! I personally witnessed people who never attempted to read anything the sheer scope of LOTR in their lives pick up Fellowship Of The Ring and put it down after only a few chapters, because for them, it was a bait and switch. The movies were not indicative of the writing or the characters or the world. No frat boy hobbits, no blubbering oafish dwarves, no black riders catching torches in their teeth. For them, it was a misrepresentation.

And that's the danger of 'reimagining' -- you misrepresent the original property and a lot of people who seek it out based on the new product are dissatisfied, and the rekindling flares out. Now I know this didn't happen with Lord Of The Rings, that I'm in the minority. I accept that. But what about The Green Hornet, or a limitless number of other characters who were not translated faithfully?

Bill Cunningham: It's a big deal because fans are voting with their money. They want to see you fulfill the promise that you are going to tell them a great story, and lead them to a place in their imagination that's worthwhile.

Selah Janel: It matters because usually it’s something that a fan/consumer associates with a part of their life that meant a great deal to them. Fandoms aren’t just things people like – usually there’s some sort of personal connection and meaning. And it’s just really arrogant to assume that you know better than other people or can “fix” a universe or something. Again – this usually comes from things being done for money and focusing on the lowest common denominator. When it’s done well it’s not usually much of an issue.

Lee Houston Jr.: Readers and viewers not only want to see their favorites continue, but want them to continue the way they remember, for that not only keeps the character "fresh", but vicariously helps the audience hold on to a piece of their youth too.

What role does the writer have in trying to find balance for both new and old audiences?

Ron Fortier: The writer has the important task of writing something that is true to the characters' essence, respects the old fan base and at the same time put a fresh spin that does contradict those elements and attracts a new audience of fans.  It is no easy job, but again, dealing with respect and love for these classic characters is pretty much trying to be that hero yourself.  Difficult, but when done right, so richly rewarding.

Dan Jolley: The most important part of the process for the writer, I would have to say, would be to identify the true spirit of the show, or the books, or the comics that you're re-launching. If you can pinpoint what the original work was really about, and then reproduce that in a new/modified/tweaked/overhauled format, that's probably your best chance of pleasing some of the original fanbase and finding success with new viewers/readers. I'd say J.J. Abrams is pretty good at that, since a lot of people liked his new Star Trek movie, which comes equipped with one of the planet's most dedicated fanbases. That being said, and at the risk of dating this article, I will guaran-freaking-tee you that when Tim Burton's new version of Dark Shadows comes out, there will be a group of die-hard original series fans out there who think it's utter garbage.

Ed Erdelac: The writer is the interpreter, trying to broker peace between two warring factions. He's the guy that offers the compromise that will either spare the land (the character) or destroy it. He has to reward the loyalty of the lifetime fans (because if he doesn't, he risks their ire, which could result in extremely negative word of mouth) and yet try to provide enough crossover appeal to bring in new consumers for the suits. It's a delicate balance and it doesn't often work.

Bill Cunningham: The writer must first understand that he has a responsibility to understand the core concept of the character he is seeking to update. By misunderstanding or neglecting the core concept, the character will not make sense, period. The writer must seek to care about his characters and make them whole people who have a valid reason (within the context of the story) for doing what they do. That is the engine that drives their character to do the things they do.

The writer must also understand context. How does a character from the 1930's work for today's audience without sacrificing the engine that makes the character unique and whole. For example, the recent Green Hornet movie neglected the entire engine of the character in service to the jokes.

Selah Janel: The writer has a huge job trying to bridge the gap between old and new. They have to give an audience some aspect of a series or character they haven’t seen but keep enough of what’s loved of the original in or else the story/universe becomes something else. I could see where that would mean keeping in stuff they may not care for personally if it’s in the best interest of the universe/series. In a sense you’re trying to remodel someone’s home. You’re in a place you didn’t build and you want to make it work better or give it an updated/sleeker look – but you can’t totally start from scratch because it’s not your house. You aren’t the one that ultimately is going to be living there.

Lee Houston Jr.: The most important thing when writing or revising an established character is to remember what made that character special and unique to begin with, and not treat the property as either a potential cash cow or fodder for a comedic romp.

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